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James Gordon Charles Downie (1886-1916)
Australian War Memorial Collections C1219806

Sergeant James Gordon Charles DOWNIE

Regimental Number
1097
Rank
Sergeant
Known As
Jim
War Service
Egypt, Western Front
Prior Military Service
Nil
Enlistment
10 Jul 1915 at Geelong, VIC
Embarkation
10 Nov 1915 from Melbourne, VIC, on the HMAT A11 Ascanius
Next of Kin
Father, James Downie, Sharp Street, Geelong, Victoria
Date & Place of Birth
January 1886, Geelong, VIC, Vic
Parents
James and Mary Downie (nee Cairns), Sharp Street, Chilwell, Victoria
Marital Status
Single
Siblings
Ada, Elizabeth, Jennie, Mary Ann, Myrtle, Norman, Walter
Occupation
Woollen Mill Operative
Physical Description
5 feet 10 3/4 inches, 154 pounds (179.7cm, 69.8kg)
Eyes blue, Hair light brown, Complexion fair
Religion
Presbyterian
Fate
Killed in Action, 20 Jul 1916, Fromelles, France – Aged 30
Place of Burial
No known grave
Commemorated
V.C. Corner (Panel No 1), Australian Cemetery Memorial, Fromelles, France
Positively Identified
No

Sergeant Downie - Six foot tall in his boots

Can you help us identify Jim Downie?

Jim was killed in Action at Fromelles. As part of the 29th Battalion he was positioned near where the Germans collected soldiers who were later buried at Pheasant Wood. There is a chance he might be identified, but we need help. We are still searching for suitable family DNA donors.

In 2008 a mass grave was found at Fromelles, a grave the Germans dug for 250 (Australian) bodies they recovered after the battle.

If you know of any family contacts from Geelong district Victoria, or their Scottish forbears, please contact the Fromelles Association.

See the DNA box at the end of the story for what we do know about his family.

Early Life

James Gordon Charles Downie, known as Jim, was born in January 1886, the fourth of the eight children in the family of William James Downie (1858-1922) and Mary Ann Cairns (1857-1937). Jim’s grandparents came from Wemyss in Fifeshire, Scotland while his mother was also Scottish, born in Ayrshire. The family home was at 24 Sharp St., Geelong and is still there.

Jim’s siblings were:

  • Elizabeth Mary Downie m. Andrew David Douglas
  • Myrtle Downie did not marry.
  • Ada Blanche Downie died infancy
  • Norman Downie m. Rose Moss
  • Jennie Downie died aged 20
  • Cairns (Walter Cairns) Downie m. Polly Stevens
  • Mary Ann (Marion) Downie m. Angus Alexander Peter
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24 Sharp St., Geelong
source Google Maps

Jim was popular amongst his many friends and fellow workers - he had a ‘quiet unostentatious influence’. He came from a highly respected family - his father’s obituary stated he was a well-known and highly esteemed resident of Sharp Street, Chilwell. Keeping up the family’s reputation, Cr. Laidlaw, mayor of Newtown and Chilwell, had known Jim from his boyhood and spoke of his “sterling worth”.

Another friend, D. F Nelson, referred to Jim’s connection with the Presbyterian Guild, his devotion to duty, his manly bearing, and his successes both in the literary and sporting sections. Jim was one of the foundation members and best workers for the Presbyterian Guild.

Source: "MEMORIAL SCREENS UNVEILED." Geelong Advertiser (Vic. : 1859 - 1929) 27 October 1919: 3. Web. <http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article165412509

Also, as he was 5’10 3/4 ”, big for the time, his physical strength and skill made him a leader in cricket, football and gymnastics. He was the Captain of the Chilwell Football Club in 1911. He was also a Librarian of the Chilwell Free Library. Jim had worked in the Albion Woollen Mills from his boyhood. When the call to service came, he was a finisher at the mills.

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Albion Woollen Mills Geelong abt 1870s. On the banks of the Barwon River
source Https://www.treloars.com/pages/books/108777/albion-woollen-mills/

Off to War

Jim enlisted on 10 July 1915 at Geelong, Victoria and was assigned to the newly formed 29th Battalion, D Company. Training was at the Broadmeadows Camp. Several of his fellow D Company soldiers, Leslie and Gordon Kennedy, lived just several blocks away from Jim.

With Jim’s strong character and, at 29, being a bit older than many of the recruits, he was promoted to Corporal in early November and then to Sergeant in February. After a short period of military training, the 29th left Australia for Egypt on 10 November, 1915 sailing on the A11 Ascanius.

Before departing, the soldiers had been on parade in Melbourne in front of a good crowd and were reviewed by the Minister for Defence, H.F. Pearce, who said:

“I do not think I have ever seen a finer body of men.”

INFANTRY MARCH PAST (1915, November 6). Weekly Times (Melbourne, Vic.: 1869 - 1954), p. 32. http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article132708935

They arrived in Suez, Egypt on 7 December. Training and defence of the Suez Canal continued until mid-June with postings at Ismailia, Tel el Kebir, Ferry Post and Moascar. While in Tel el Kebir, the troops were reviewed by the Prince of Wales.

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AIF troops raise their hats and give a hearty cheer to HRH the Prince of Wales as he reviews them at a camp in Egypt
source Https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C00057

The call to the Western Front finally came and, the 29th boarded the troop ship Tunisian in Alexandria on 16 June, headed to Marseilles, arriving there on the 23rd. They then were on a train to Hazebrouck and Steenbeque and by the 26th were encamped in Morbecque, about 30 km from Fleurbaix. The Aussies were well received by the French. In a letter home, James Lang (858), 29th Battalion from Glengarry, Victoria, wrote:

“The French people lined the streets to see us, and gave us a great welcome. Lots of poor women and young girls started crying. No doubt the poor things were thinking of their own dear ones who had gone to the front.”

Soldiers Letters. (1916, September 1). Traralgon Record (Traralgon, Vic. : 1886 - 1932), p. 2 (MORNING.). http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71549588

Gas masks were now included in their training for the possible use of “lachrymatory shells” – tear gas. Training was tough. One day included a march of 16 miles carrying a 75 lb kit, which only the youngest and fittest could complete.

On 9 July they were moved to Erquingham, just outside of Fleurbaix and on the 10th they got their first experience in the trenches, with the “men all in good spirits”.

Source: AWM4 23/46/12 29th Infantry Battalion July 1916 page 3

They were back at their billets in Fleurbaix four days later. A gas alarm was sounded on the 15th, but there was no effect on the troops in Fleurbaix.

Fromelles

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Map of the scene of the Battle of Fromelles showing troop placements
source Michael Senior, Fromelles 1916, Pen & Sword Books, Barnsley England. Reproduced with permission

The 29th’s role was to be a ‘fourth’ battalion on the left flank of the attack. With the 30th, they were to provide support for the attacking 31st and 32nd Battalions by digging trenches, carrying supplies/ammunition and to be called in as reserves if needed for the fighting. The original attack was planned for the 17th, but bad weather caused it to be postponed.

On 19 July the 29th were in the rear trenches, ready for the attack. The 32nd’s charge over the parapet began at 5.53 PM and the 31st’s at 5.58 PM. There were machine guns emplacements to their left and directly ahead at Delrangre Farm and there was heavy artillery fire in No-Man’s-Land.

The initial assaults were successful and by 6.30 PM the Aussies were in control of the German’s 1st line system, which was described as “practically a ditch with from 1 to 2 feet of mud and slush at the bottom.”

Source: AWM4 23/49/12, 32nd Battalion War Diaries, July 1916, page 11

By 8.00 PM, Jim’s D Company and A Company began to carry bombs and supplies to the front trenches. The Australians’ left flank had come under heavy bombardment with high explosives and shrapnel. Return bombardment support was provided and the 32nd was told:

“the trenches were to be held at all costs”.

AWM4 23/49/12, 32nd Battalion War Diaries, July 1916, page 12

At 10.00 PM, additional support was being requested and C and D Companies joined in. Unfortunately, they found that a number of the grenades they were carrying had no fuses.

The Germans counter attacked and at 2.00 AM Jim’s D Company and A Company were fully engaged in the fighting. B and C Companies continued to carry supplies and providing cover for soldiers who were retiring from the battle. Surprisingly:

“After a struggle in No-Man’s Land, the Germans were content to stop at their own trench.”

AWM4 23/46/12, 29th Battalion War Diaries, July 1916, page 7
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29th Battalion War Diary
At 2 O’clock the enemy were counter attacking….
source AWM4 23/46/12, 29th Battalion War Diaries, July 1916, page 7

Fighting continued through the night. At 4.00 AM the Germans began an attack from the Australian’s left flank, bombing and advancing into the communications trench on their far left William Tate’s (1254), who clearly knew Jim, stated that Jim was killed at this time.

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William A. Tate’s December 1916 Witness Statement of Jim’s Death
source NAA: B2455, Downie, James Gordon Charles – First AIF Personnel Dossiers, 1914-1920, page 29

As the battle moved on, given the Australian advances that had been made earlier, portions of the rearward trench had been left almost empty, which then enabled the Germans to be in a position to surround the advanced soldiers.

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Private EH Noll (1197), a prisoner of war, gave this account of the night
source AWM 29th Battalion Prisoner of War Statements Collection/C2620413, p 28

With the Australian attack having been halted, they became exposed in a salient jutting into the German lines and were quickly enfiladed by German machine guns. “In the end, they basically had to fight their way back to their own lines, 'run for it', or be killed wounded or captured.”

Source: 29th Battalion VWMA https://vwma.org.au/explore/units/111

In the morning the battle was over. The 29th were left to hold the front line and, even though a cease fire was not in effect, they were busily bringing back a large number of wounded during the day and night. The nature of this battle was summed up by Private Jim Cleworth (784) from the 29th:

"The novelty of being a soldier wore off in about five seconds, it was like a bloody butcher's shop".

AWM, https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/U51469

For a battalion supposed to be in a support role, the initial figures of the impact of the battle on the 29th was 17 soldiers died, 161 were wounded and 68 were missing. To get some perspective of the battle, when Charles Bean, Australia’s official war historian, attended the battlefield two and half years later, he observed a large amount of bones, torn uniforms and Australian kit still on the battlefield.

Ultimately, 66 soldiers of the 29th Battalion were killed in action or died of wounds from the battle and 37 of them were unable to be identified.

The Family Waits

Jim was not at roll call and was reported as “missing”. This was communicated to his family, but with the chaos of the battle no further details were available while the Army checked through POW, hospitals and witness reports in the months that followed.

The family was obviously anxious and was in contact with the Army and the Red Cross and they even placed an ad in the papers in November 1916 seeing if anyone had any information about Jim. One reply did try to give them some hope as a family member of theirs that had been missing was found to be a POW.

However, in January the Red Cross advised the family that Jim was not a POW. While William Tate’s and others’ statements are clear about Jim having been killed, there were other witness reports that ranged from him being wounded to being killed but buried behind the Australian lines. These were sent to the family in early 1917:

997 Corporal W.L. Gibson, C Company, 29th Bn (patient, 18th General Hospital, Etaples), 23 October 1916: 'He was wounded at Fleurbaix on 19.7.16. in the head and I saw him on 20.7.16 in the 2nd.line dressing station at Fort Homrey. It was not a serious wound in my opinion; he was a walking case. The D.S. was well behind the line and he should not have gone missing. (Note: 'A careful reliable witness.')

308 Sergeant Major G.R. Newman, 29th Bn (patient, 3rd Southern General Hospital, Oxford, England), 17 February 1917: 'I have seen Sergt. Downie's grave next to the dressing station out on the Croix Blanc Road. There is a cross up with his name on. Three or four Sergeants are buried there together.'

Australian Red Cross Wounded and Missing Files – Downie, James Gordon Charles, p 5, p 3

The family also sought to contact soldiers who had returned to Australia for any news. They did receive some responses, but they either had no hard information or had said that Jim had been killed. One touching letter written to one of Jim’s sisters was from Jim Archer (1051), who lived near to the family.

While he had no ‘hard’ news, his letter was very personal, recalling about walks and talks he had with Jim not long before the battle and noting that Jim had hoped to go to Scotland to see his the ”little village” where his mother was born so he could send a card home.

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6 March 1917 Letter from Jim Archer about Jim’s hope to go to Scotland
source NAA: B2455, Downie, James Gordon Charles – First AIF Personnel Dossiers, 1914-1920, page 50, 51

The Army did not turn up any further information and Jim was formally declared as having been Killed in Action in a 23 Aug 1917 Court of Inquiry in the Field. Even news of this came slowly the family wrote the Army on 12 Sept 1917 seeking if there was any news.

The reply was quick, but sadly there was nothing more than the Red Cross information to be offered. Still seeking some closure, they wrote in 1918 asking about the return of any of Jim’s belongings, but none were found. Jim was awarded the Star Medal, the British War Medal, the Victory Medal, a Memorial Plaque and a Memorial Scroll.

The memorial notices in the paper spoke to Jim’s character.

Jim left a legacy in his will, donating funds to the Newton Presbyterian Church Sunday School which was used for Memorial Screens.

He is commemorated at:

  • V.C. Corner (Panel No 1), Australian Cemetery Memorial, Fromelles,
  • The St David’s Presbyterian Church,
  • Newtown Honor Roll
  • and the Albion Woollen Mills Honour Board.

Could Jim Still be Found?

A mass grave the Germans had dug after the battle was found at Fromelles in 2008. It contained 250 bodies. The grave is in the vicinity of where Jim was fighting. To date (2024), 180 of the soldiers from the grave have been identified by DNA testing, including 22 of the 37 unidentified soldiers from the 29th Battalion.

While Jim was “missing”, curiously, his Army file does have a very brief, undated annotation about him being buried at Fromelles, along with some very general map coordinates which are in the area of the Pheasant Wood German burial pit that was found in 2008.

It is unknown how this information came to be associated with Jim, but of the eight known soldiers with this map reference on their file, six have been identified from the Pheasant Wood grave - Thomas William Francis, David Frederick Livingston, James Hugh Ross, Gordon Thomas Smith, Ernest Frank Wilkin and George Robert Barnatt.

Only James Gordon Charles Downie and Leslie Frederick Kennedy have not been located to date.

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Could Jim Have Been Buried at Pheasant Wood?
source NAA File, Page 5; AWM; Google Maps

This raises the potential that Jim could be one of the yet unidentified soldiers in the burial pit. Family DNA donors are needed to find out if Jim could be one of these unidentified soldiers. If you know of any family contacts from Geelong, Victoria district or from their Scottish forbears, please contact the Fromelles Association.

Family connections are sought for the following soldier, missing at Fromelles

SoldierJames Gordon Charles Downie (1886-1916)
ParentsWilliam James Downie (1858-1922) Glasgow or Fife, Scotland and Mary Cairns (1857-1937), b Ayrshire, Scotland
SiblingsElizabeth Mary (1882- ) b Geelong VIC, m Andrew David Douglas
Myrtle (1884-1908) Twin with Ada , did not marry
Ada Blanche (1884 - ) Twin died in infancy)
Norman (1888-1957) m Rose Moss
Jennie (1890-1910)
Walter Cairns (1893-1963)m Polly Stevens
Mary Ann (Marion) (1898-1953) m Angus Alexander Peter
Grandparents
PaternalUnknown - Wemyss, Fifeshire, Scotland
MaternalUnknown – Aryshire, Scotland

Seeking DNA Donors

Fromelles Association of Australia

Contacts

The Fromelles Association welcomes all contact regarding this soldier.
(Contact: royce@fromelles.info or geoffrey@fromelles.info).
We also urge any family members to contact and register with the Australian Army
(Contact: army.uwc@defence.gov.au or phone 1800 019 090).

Donations

The Fromelles Association maintains this web site, purely by donations received.
If you are able, please contribute to the upkeep of this resource.
(Contact: bill@fromelles.info ).